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Stadium to the Stars: 10 Lessons from Stacey Embretson

Senior Director of Operations, LA Marathon · McCourt Foundation · 60+ marathons as a runner · 15+ years in event operations

By Phil Dumontet, CEO, Laurel Innovations · 22,000 finishers · Up 30% year over year · 3 cities · Caltrans · 1 high-speed chase

I sat down with Stacey Embretson — Senior Director of Operations for the LA Marathon, a 60-plus marathon runner herself, and one of the most candid and operationally sharp leaders I've had the pleasure of talking with. We recorded just 24 days out from race day. She was in it. And she gave me a look at the LA Marathon unlike anything I'd heard before — from the Party Pacers to the high-speed chase to what it takes to shut down three cities simultaneously. Here are the 10 lessons that stayed with me.

01

Course Design

The course is the product — start there and don't compromise

When the McCourt Foundation took over the LA Marathon in 2008, the first thing they did was spend a year and a half reimagining the course. They knew that what people associate with Los Angeles — Rodeo Drive, Sunset Strip, the Walk of Fame — wasn't on the existing route. They built a new one that actually ran through the city's soul.

The result: Stadium to the Stars. Dodger Stadium to Century City. Through Chinatown, Silver Lake, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills. Through the neighborhoods people live in and love — not just the tourist highlights. That course created an entirely new identity for the race and has driven 30% year-over-year growth.

"The course reflects the community. We wanted to not just honor LA as a city, but LA County and the community at large — to showcase what these different neighborhoods have to offer. Not just Rodeo Drive, but the real LA."
If you could redesign your course to be the ultimate tour of your city, what would change? The course is the product — it deserves the same investment as any other element of the race.
02

Multi-Jurisdictional Operations

Get all the cities in the same room — and build the relationships before you need them

The LA Marathon runs through three cities — LA, Beverly Hills, and West Hollywood — plus Caltrans for the freeway closures. Every city has its own rules, its own public safety approach, its own timelines for reopening streets. Coordinating them is one of the most complex operational challenges in American road racing.

Stacey's solution: the annual Street Reopening Meeting. Every stakeholder, every city, every department — on a call together, walking through the reopening sequence from start to finish. What has emerged over years of doing this is something even more valuable: genuine relationships between cities. Beverly Hills now knows who to call in West Hollywood. West Hollywood knows who to call in Santa Monica. Those relationships, built through the marathon, became the foundation for LA2028 Olympic planning.

Host a pre-race meeting that includes every external stakeholder — not just your own team. The relationships built in that room will pay off when things go sideways on race day.
03

Climate Resilience

Hot weather contingency plans aren't contingencies anymore — they're the baseline

Stacey was direct about something most race directors are only beginning to internalize: the weather scenarios that used to be edge cases are now the expectation. The LA wildfires in January 2025 — historically a wet season — forced the postponement of the Rose Bowl Half Marathon with air quality reaching 342. That kind of event doesn't fit neatly into any contingency plan.

"I used to have my hot weather contingency plan and my cold weather contingency plan — money I had kind of set aside in case it goes awry. Now it's like these aren't contingencies anymore. This is like, I need to plan for it's going to be a hot day. The shifts we're seeing weather-wise are bananas."

Her practical response: maintain cancellation insurance, build the fire hydrant tap at the finish line for unlimited water access, stock ice towels, and communicate proactively with runners the moment a situation develops — not after it's already scary.

Review your weather contingency plans and ask: is this a contingency, or is this actually a likely scenario I should be budgeting and planning for as a baseline?
04

The Command Post

The tiny thing is what keeps you up at night — not the big stuff

Stacey spends race day in the command post, and her description of what actually gets managed there was a masterclass in operational reality. Suspicious packages. A fire on the course. A high-speed police chase heading toward the route. A truck losing water station supplies off the back. A goat on the course. Medical supplies stolen overnight.

"The permits are done. The Caltrans approval is done. But you know what kept me up for an entire year? Ten barricades on the corner of Park and Sunset. Last year they weren't there. I've brought it up 14 times at city meetings. 'You're sure you're going to close it? You're sure?' The tiniest thing is what's gonna keep you up at night — not the big stuff."

The lesson: the most dangerous operational risks are the ones that feel too small to plan for. The big things get redundant protocols. The tiny things get forgotten. And on race day, it's always the tiny thing.

After your next race, make a list of every small thing that went wrong or nearly went wrong. Add those to next year's pre-race checklist. They'll happen again.
05

Back of Pack Experience

The Party Pacers — the simplest idea that created the best experience

The LA Marathon has to reopen the streets when the time limit expires. That's a reality Stacey can't change. What she changed was how the back-of-pack runners experience that reality. Enter the Party Pacers: a team of volunteers in bright orange shirts, full of energy and enthusiasm, who accompany the final runners — whether they're on the course or the sidewalk — from wherever they are to the finish line.

"It's something so simple, so simple, that can really create such a great experience for those people. They might've finished over the time limit, but they still felt supported. They still had fun. And that is everything."

The idea came from Lucy Murray, their program coordinator who was already embedded in the run clubs and community groups, listening to what runners actually needed. It cost almost nothing. And it transformed the back-of-pack experience entirely.

What is the worst part of your race for the runner who finishes last? That's where your most valuable experience innovation lives. It usually doesn't cost much.
06

Youth Programs

These kids are our future runners — give them a full training program, not just a race entry

LA's Beyond the Bell program takes elementary school kids through a complete 26.2-mile training program across the school year. Not just a kids dash — a full marathon training experience with checkpoints, coaching, and structured progression. They had their 18-mile training run the week before our conversation. Over 3,000 children from more than 200 schools participate.

And the impact doesn't stop at the finish line. Kids who complete the program show higher graduation rates, better academic outcomes, and greater post-secondary success. Because running teaches them the one lesson that transfers to everything else: you can do hard things if you keep going.

If your youth program is a dash and a medal, add structure. A training journey — even a simplified one — creates the identity shift that a single race day cannot.
07

Gen Z Experience

If it doesn't happen on Instagram, it didn't happen — so design for the moment

Stacey was refreshingly direct about how Gen Z participants think about races. They're not primarily there for the time. They're there for the experience — and for the story they'll tell on social media after. That changes what matters at every touchpoint of the event.

"For Gen Z, if it doesn't happen on Instagram, it didn't happen. So what can we do to create more of an experiential atmosphere? More photo ops, more entertainment, more great moments. It's not about slapping your logo on something anymore — sponsors need to create an experience that's actually engaging."

LA's expo is now at Dodger Stadium, adjacent to the start line, with the stadium backdrop for start line photos. The beer garden is inside the Westfield Century City Mall. Every element is designed to be experienced and shared — not just functional.

Walk your race course and expo as a Gen Z participant with your phone out. Count the moments worth sharing. Then ask: how do we double that number?
08

Entry Fees & Transparency

Runners don't understand what it actually costs to shut down a city — and that's on us

Entry fees are one of the most charged topics in our industry right now. Stacey was honest about the reality: up to 50-60% of what a runner pays for a major city marathon goes purely to creating a safe, secure experience — police, fire, permits, Caltrans, K-rail, city services. Not to the finish line beer garden or the medal or the app. Just to close the streets and protect the runners.

After events like New Orleans, police departments are asking for dramatically expanded safety infrastructure. Those costs aren't in anyone's budget. And when organizations raise entry fees to cover them, runners feel it — without understanding why.

"I don't think runners understand how much goes into just closing the streets or just having police officers there to make sure cars aren't getting on the course. We're not trying to price gouge. We're barely breaking even. And that's just to make sure you have a safe experience."
Create one piece of content that shows runners what their entry fee actually funds. The transparency almost always builds trust rather than eroding it.
09

Hot Take

A course doesn't have to be flat to be fast — and flat isn't always better

Stacey's hot take was delivered with the energy of someone who has been defending the LA Marathon's hills her entire career. And she's right. The conventional wisdom — flat equals fast equals good — is a misconception that dismisses some of the most scenic, community-rich, memorable courses in the sport.

"A course doesn't have to be flat to be fast. It doesn't always have to be flat to be a good race. There is so much more to offer, and there are different ways you can train to just enjoy it for what it is. Even Chicago has their little hill on Roosevelt at the end that is just heartbreaking for people."

Phil's PR came at the New York City Marathon — one of the hillier majors. LA has 940 feet of elevation gain. The combination of hills, crowds, and the city experience can unlock performances that a flat course never would. And even if it doesn't, the experience is its own reward.

Stop apologizing for your course's hills. Lean into them as part of what makes your race uniquely yours. They're features, not bugs.
10

Team Building

Surround yourself with good people — people who care about the event as much as you do

When asked the single piece of advice she'd give to race organizers trying to grow, Stacey's answer was immediate and personal. She has people who have worked with her for 17 years. Not vendors. Not contractors. Friends — who she calls in when things go sideways because she knows they'll show up the same way she does.

"Surround yourself with good people. You cannot be everywhere, all the places, all the time. Bring good people. Treat them well. Build that support system around you — because as the events start to grow, you need people you can lean on and trust with your life, who also care about the event as much as you do."

In a year-round effort of this scale, the team is everything. No process or technology substitutes for people who care. Find them. Keep them. Reward them.

Think of the three people on your team you'd be most devastated to lose. When did you last tell them specifically what they mean to the race? Do that this week.

"I hear 'I Love LA' anywhere now and it almost brings me to tears."

Randy Newman's song plays at the start line of the LA Marathon every year. Stacey doesn't always get to hear it from the start line anymore — she's in the command post, managing the race. But she hears it in her head wherever she is. That's what it means to love what you do.